A Conversation with an On-the-Fencer

I had a conversation with a local voter who reached out to me because they were on the fence about this presidential election and wanted to know how I supported the Harris/Walz ticket. Below is the unedited dialog.

I share this in case you find yourself in a similar situation!


The Question

Hi Bill. My aunt sent me your Facebook and mentioned that you were the Chair in Greenwood for the Facebook link she sent.

Please bear with me in the length of this message.

I am extremely undecided in this election. I know what I want to see in America. My bank account is the loudest opinion I hear right now.

I and my husband make more money than I/we have EVER made in our entire life but I am still struggling to make ends meet. It makes no sense to me. How can I justify voting for someone that I feel like had a hand in destroying the American dollar. I work in accounting (tax to be specific). Every monetary policy proposal Harris has made I can’t get behind because they aren’t beneficial. They create no incentive for American businesses or for people to actually want to grow their wealth.

I personally dislike trump as a person. I don’t hate bc there is no sense in hating another human being based on politics (other than hitler). No matter how bad trump is as a person…he’s not hitler and no one can change my mind about that. That comparison drives me insane.

I’m drawn (not saying I am going to bc as of this moment I have 0 intention to vote at all) to vote for him based solely on the experience of my dollar being worth more then vs now.

I have been asking questions and tried to post a “thought provoking” item but all I am met with is anger and outright emotion from both sides and 0 facts. I don’t have a “party affiliation” idk if that makes me independent or not and honestly don’t care about being affiliated with any. I honestly wish there was no such thing as a party.

What I need is a discussion scenario where someone can state facts ( not emotion) and I can play “devils advocate” as to why I agree or disagree. I need to have a debate where essentially I am the moderator…a regular person struggling everyday and counter points as they are being made. Perhaps this is where I fall short in being able to do research.

The debate the other night was a joke. Idc what side you choose..anyone could see it was biased. Kamala couldn’t answer a question directly without going into a long drawn out story and Donald was just Donald..but at least he made some valid points. Not that of the cats and dogs..obviously..but economy, war, illegal immigration etc.

I need some facts on why I should or shouldn’t vote and how to have decent real thought provoking discussions and find answers without being painted as a trumpet or nevertrumper.


The Answer

Good morning and very nice to hear from you! I think your aunt is a wonderful person.

I appreciate the passion behind what you wrote. It shows that you definitely take this stuff seriously and have given it a lot of thought.

I don’t know that I can respond in kind to every point you made, but I’ll sum up how I’ve seen the past few years and why I’m making the personal decision the way I am.

Both the Trump-Pence and Biden-Harris administration dealt with severe global issues that were beyond their control.

This is a photo I took of a typical grocery aisle at the local Food Lion where I go. It was taken on Nov 20, 2020 at the end of the Trump administration.

It’s amazing how quickly we forget recent history. Because of the global COVID pandemic which killed a million Americans and millions more worldwide in such a short time period, the entire global economy and interconnected supply chains were rocked to its core.

I don’t blame Trump for COVID. It hit all countries hard. But what you can do is look at how the US fared compared to other nations.

And it wasn’t even close. The US had the highest COVID death rate compared to any other nation: Red states, blue states. Didn’t matter. We were the worst.

And THAT I do credit the Trump administration who were so completely overwhelmed and incapable of dealing with a unique disaster like this.

The Biden-Harris administration inherited another global disaster that was also not of their making: Global inflation. This is something that happened in EVERY nation as the world recovered from the economic turmoil. It wasn’t just the US.

And again, I have to compare how they came out of it versus the rest of the world.

And once again, it wasn’t even close. The US has recovered faster and stronger than any other nation.

You can’t argue that times indeed have been tough. We’re all tight on our wallets. But it’s clear that things would be far worse off if the current administration hadn’t worked so hard to invest in American workers and manufacturing to ensure a faster recovery from this global crisis.

And during all that, the stock market has constantly been breaking records. You may disagree that the stock market isn’t an accurate measure of the economy, but it’s the same measure that Trump bragged about for four years and all of his followers bought into. Why is that measure no longer valid just because it’s now Biden-Harris breaking records?

Here’s one final point about Harris policy.

Stock market records and highest-ever corporate profits tells me that the recovery isn’t making its way down to every day people like you and me. It is an undisputed fact, documented over and over, that raw material costs have dropped significantly while retailers and other markets have kept their prices high.

There’s only one candidate who explicitly stated (even in the debate) that this will be a high priority in their first year. And that’s the Harris administration.

Anyhow, that’s how I see things. If Biden had inherited a growing economy and we had inflation while the rest of the world didn’t, then I’d be right there in the front of the lines arguing against him.

But that’s not what happened and I have to make my choice based on what did and the bigger picture. I don’t know what the next global disaster will be, but I need to know someone is in the office who is smart, reads all the briefings, and brings together a talented coalition of hard-working people to solve it.


The Reaction

Wow. Thank you for that!

Thank you for presenting reason as well vs emotion.

You are right about how quickly we forget. I must admit that the pandemic circumstances havn’t really crossed my mind since it happened. Idk what that says about me as a person..perhaps that makes me selfish in a sense. Yes, I was worried about Covid, yes I remember seeing bare shelves..but I was always able to find and get what I needed.

Yes, I do remember Kamala making points. That isn’t what I meant and apologize if I came across as I didn’t hear anything she said. That’s not what I was trying to convey. I just wish she would have bullet pointed vs the stories. I never really hear what Trump says either. I watched the entire debate and just felt like I came away with nothing even though I had such high hopes I would.

I appreciate you being open and honest and willing to listen. I’m going to continue this journey in hopes to make a decision that is best for me on the day.

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Yellow Dog Democrats and Candidate’s Best Friends: Grand Opening of Francie Kleckley’s Greenwood Office

by Laine Horowitz, GWCDP Secretary

The weather was gloomy for the grand opening of the Greenwood office for Francie Kleckley, Candidate for SC Senate District 10. Senate District 10 was redistricted in 2021, a redistricting in which Abbeville and McCormick were removed. Now it contains almost all of Greenwood and a long, thin stretch of land to Lexington. And yes. That means that Democrat Francie Kleckley is running against Republican Billy Garret. Go Francie!

The office, which was once a house, was warm and inviting. There were refreshments, and people stood together getting to know each other. The question most asked by far was, “How do you know Francie?” There were so many different answers. There were even some star appearances. Greenwood’s own star maker Senator Floyd Nicholson showed up to throw his support behind Francie, and Bishop Oliver T. McCray, Jr. was there to bless the new office.

Yellow Dog Democrats David and Margaret have been following Francie Kleckley’s campaign online, and they were looking forward to a chance to meet her in person. They drove from Ware Shoals to the Grand Opening of her Greenwood Office after seeing the event listed on the Greenwood County Democratic Party’s (GWCDP) Facebook page.

A regular at the GWCDP breakfasts reported that what drew her to Francie was her financial background. She felt Francie’s long background working in the IRS as a problem solver and a leader would shore up some holes we now have in our current government. Who knows? Maybe we won’t be finding $1.8 Billion dollars in a random account. That’s a lot of money to have sitting around unable to be used at a time when state agencies’ requests totaling $3 Billion in funding went unfulfilled in next year’s budget just passed by the South Carolina House.

Francie’s dearest friends also showed up for the event. Todd has been friends with Francie for 30 years, and he laid claim to being one of the many to encourage her to run. He described Francie as having all of the qualities you want: knows how government works; knows taxes; level headed; a clear thinker; and a single mom who is the first of her family to go college, showing what a hard worker she is.

After Todd, friend after friend spoke of encouraging her to run. Harry, who’s known her since 2006, and not one, but two Sheilas. Then Mary, who has known Francie for 25 years, stepped forward to talk about why she encouraged Francie to run. She said Francie has seen a lot in her life and has empathy for everyone. Other important skills that make her so well-suited are that she is a great listener, she has a sound mind, and, something not seen too much today: Francie will work on both sides of the aisle to get things done! Mary also pointed out that Francie doesn’t have to do this. She was happily retired. She is doing this because she has a calling to be a civil servant. That’s somebody we want in office!

In the end, not even the gray, drizzly day could keep people from coming to the Grand Opening for Francie Kleckley, our candidate for SC Senate District 10. The office will be somewhere to pick up campaign materials, for people to gather for phone banking, and just to be a home base for those working on the campaign and for Francie herself. The office is located at 212 Grace Street. Come by and join the campaign!

For more on Francie Kleckley and any events in the area, follow her Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/francie.kleckley

and the Greenwood County Democratic Party’s Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/GreenwoodDemocraticParty

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Sept 2024 Breakfast Meeting: Bill Kimler for SC House 13

GWCDP Chair and candidate for SC House 13, Bill Kimler, gives a campaign speech and closes with a video commercial that he recently released. Visit KimlerForSC.com.

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Sept 2024 Breakfast Meeting: Teresa Suber Goodman for GWD50 School Board

Teresa Suber Goodman, Executive Director for Community Initiatives, Inc., spoke with us about her campaign to for GWD50 School Board, Seat 3.

We also heard from an attendee who was devastated by the recent school shooting in Georgia.

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Sept 2024 Breakfast Meeting: Trentsie Williams & YES! for Greenwood County!

President and CEO of the Greenwood Chamber of Commerce, Trentsie Williams, provides a lot of information about the Capital Projects Sales Tax initiative that is on the ballot to be renewed in 2025.

Learn about all of the things in Greenwood County that have benefitted from the previous iterations of project funded and what’s on the slate for the future should this initiative pass.

Visit https://yesforgreenwood.com/

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Sept 2024 Breakfast Meeting: Allen Moore & the DNC Convention

GWCDP Precinct Leader, Allen Moore, talked about his experiences in Chicago at the Democratic National Convention. He shared the inspiration to invest in the County Party and building a movement from the ground up.

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Sept 2024 Breakfast Meeting: Candidate announcements

We heard from

  • Francie Kleckley (SC Senate District 10)
  • Ken Robinson (Greenwood County Council Dist 4)
  • Rev Annette Edwards (Greenwood City Council Ward 3)
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Sept 2024 Breakfast Meeting: Welcome & Updates

1st Vice Chair, Dr. Jumelle Brooks, leads this months Breakfast Meeting. She opened with a welcome message and then provided updates on:

  • Lander University student outreach event
  • Community Service updates
  • The 2024 Carnell Drummond Mays Banquet
  • Open office hours at our HQ
  • The Debate Watch Party!
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Aug 9, 2024 Newsletter

Click the image below to be taken to our latest newsletter. In this edition:

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Aug 2024 Breakfast Meeting: GWCDP Party Updates & Community Events

We quickly cover activities the GWCDP has participated in over the last month and share some upcoming activities for volunteers to get involved in.

Members of the audience also shared community events of interest.

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